We visited Kohler's San Francisco showroom to speak about the making of the Transcendence collection, the large-scale hammam installation we had created together for Design Miami 2022. The talk gave us the opportunity to walk an American design audience through the process: how the tiles were made from Kohler manufacturing waste, how our craft techniques were adapted to work at architectural scale, and what the hammam means as a cultural form being reinterpreted for a contemporary context. It was a conversation about craft, material innovation, and what a genuine commitment to sustainability in design actually looks like.